101. mtneer - Last Post on this subject: We will only ever know one side of the story. Posted Jul 30, 2006 13:23

102. Always Outspoken - Once again mtneer: Short but so true. You say so little but cover much ground!! You are right again!! Posted Jul 30, 2006 17:08

103. wvhillbilly - You know everyday we here about people getting killed or been shot. As citizens of Fayette, Raleigh and surrounding counties in the state of West Virginia the law enforcement say they are going to crack down on people for riding ATV's and crack down on people over the seatbelt law and the put tax on cigarettes which I know my cigarettes are bad for me but what about these people getting out here drinking and driving, walking up and down the road with opened beer containers, driving drunk, that is where the law needs to step in at and I also think ATV's shouldn't be driven by anyone unless there old enough to have a drivers licenses. Posted Jul 30, 2006 17:51

104. nojusticenwv - I agree with what you are concerned about wvhillbillylady. I do agree that ATV laws should be stricly enforced - I agree that the seatbelt laws shoud be strictly enforced - taxes on cigarettes, I also smoke and unfortunately not having the best luck at quitting. Why don't they put a higher tax on alcoholic beverages? I know all too well how alcohol can kill. My brother was killed by a drunk driver four years ago. No big deal here in W.V. though!!! But, the fact of the matter here is about illegally shooting a firearm 500 feet from a dwelling. Mr. Webb was breaking the law and someone could have been killed by a stray bullet. If I had lived next to Mr. Webb, I would have made sure all of my family was in the house. Then again, a stray bullet could have come through a window. Thank goodness no one was injured/killed by Mr. Webb's "so called" celebration that night. What a tragic ending due to his astonishing lack of judgement. It is very sad indeed, that Mr. Webb lost his life that night. I am sorry for his family and friends. The fact of the matter that night, in my opinion, was there were two officers who had to make the decision to protect themselves. If they had not made the decision to shoot, there could have been a completely different story in the paper. The law had to "step in" that night and protect themselves, not worrying at the time about all the other laws that should be taken more seriously. Posted Jul 31, 2006 01:19

105. BabyGurl - OMG You all are so dumb. I do not get into trouble witht the cops but I do know wrong from right and those cops had no right to kill Mr. Webb. I know seeral people who shoot guns on the 4th of july and new years eve too. They are alive and will do the same thing this year. People just dont run their mouths in the neighborhood. And the way I see it, t he neighbor who called 911 is to blame for Mr webbs death. Sleep good. I am sure his family is really hurt and you all expect us to defmd the cops? as if!!!!! I am not realisticwarmth but I know she has some common sense. Which i can say 99% of you all do not have! Posted July 31, 2006 01:48

106. nojusticenwv - BabyGurl, are you a clone of realisticwarmth? For you to blame the person who called 911 is a bunch of bull. Don't blame the neighbor, blame Mr. Webb. You and realisticwarmth need to get a grip!!! For you to think that it is okay for those several people you know to shoot guns on the 4th of July and New Years Eve, well good for you. It's still illegal, and if the neighbors don't mind possibly getting hit by a stray bullet on one of those nights, then they shouldn't call the police. I'm starting to think that you and realisticwarmth are possibly in with those several people who shoot their guns. You need to put the blame where it should be, on Mr. Webb, not the officers. What type of gun do you like to shoot in the air BabyGurl? By the way, doesn't hurt my feelings if I am in the 99 percentile rate that you say have no common sense. I do believe that you and realisticwarth, (if you two are not the same person) are the only one or two that thinks it is okay to break the law and possibly get 2 officers killed. Or perhaps you are members of the Webb family, and if you are I am sorry that you have suffered a loss. For some reason you and realistic warmth are taking this matter to heart, and hating the cops!!! Posted Jul 31, 2006 02:25

107. Realisticwarmth - Here we go again, I am not related to babygurl and we are NOT the same person!!!!! I guess because all of you people keep saying the same ol' thing over and over, than all of you must be one too, or related. No one has said anything about being COP HATERS. I just know for a fact they did not do their job that night in question. That was MY opinion, but all you people on here wanna keep bad mouthing Babygurl and myself. If you can't take the heat than get out of the kitchen. I am NOT related to the Webb family either!!!!! Everyone knows that Mr. webb should'nt have died that night, BUT yet everyone on here said," he was pointing a gun at the two officers", this you do not know. None of us were there, we ONLY know what the two poor pitiful officers are saying, so get over yourself and look at the whole story!!!I am far from being a COP HATER, but they are not perfect either and the Webb incident proved that. Posted July 31, 2006  09:57

108. RogerS - Just reading the post on this subject, with great interest. Some blame the officers, some blame the victim. Which is true, I do not know. What I do know is that a good source of information, has told, beleive him, yes, He has never lied to me in 40 plus yrs. The only thing I wiil comment on is the choice of weapons. The AK-47 is the most dangerous weapon in the world. Think about this, this second most dangerous is the US M-16, do not forget-Briish Air rifle-the 50-MM rifle. These military weapons include the TEC-9, MAC-10, TEC-22. Just to metion a few. There are a 1000 more. When any of these weapons are fired into the air at the rate discharge, will return to earth, at the twice the rate of discharge, which will make a indentsion of 1.5 to 2 inches wide on the impact with earth and about a foot deep. Some of you say this is nothing, you better think again. The penatration of this weapon is unbeleivable, just read the techs on it. The incident is just a remember of the attiude change in this country. I can do anything I want to and you can not tell me I cann't. I have one question, why would any one want a weapon like the AK-47, at home. with children in it. I would love to know the answer to that one. Posted Jul 31, 2006 13:08

109. nojusticenwv - Realisticwarmth, you said, "If you can't take the heat than get out of the kitchen." Actually, I am not feeling any heat, I just feel that you and babygurl have a great disliking for law enforcement. I thought I read somewhere that the family made the statement that Mr. Webb had his gun pointed in the officers' direction. I know that if I was an officer and a man was pointing an assault rifle at me, I would have protected myself. Anyone who shoots an assault rifle or any firearm at their residence, and the neighbors are concerned about safety - 911 should definitely be called. Don't blame the neighbor that called, he/she was only doing what they should have done. I have also called 911 because a gun was being fired behind my house for 20 minutes or longer. The shots were coming from behind my house because my dogs always know where people are and let me know. If one is breaking the law, then they should be reported. You and babygurl evidently think that breaking the law is okay. I strongly disagree with you. Posted Jul 31, 2006 14:00

110. nojusticenwv - RogerS, I have been wondering why someone would want an AK-47 in their home too. Posted July 31, 2006 14:34

111. whisper Originally posted by Realisticwarmth: Here we go again, I am not related to babygurl and we are NOT the same person!!I guess because all of you people keep saying the same ol' thing over and over, than all of you must be one too, or related. No one has said anything about being COP HATERS. I just know for a fact they did not do their job that night in question. That was MY opinion, but all you people on here wanna keep bad mouthing Babygurl and myself. If you can't take the heat than get out of the kitchen. I am NOT related to the Webb family either!! Everyone knows that Mr. webb should'nt have died that night, BUT yet everyone on here said," he was pointing a gun at the two officers", this you do not know. None of us were there, we ONLY know what the two poor pitiful officers are saying, so get over yourself and look at the whole story!!!I am far from being a COP HATER, but they are not perfect either and the Webb incident proved that.  Funny...in the same post you deny being a cop hater and then follow to berate them...You may want to actually read the original article...the officers are not the only ones that said Mr. Webb pointed the gun at them....his family did also. The following is, again, an excerpt from the original arcticle published.... quote: Tanner said the deputies identified themselves and told Webb to put down his weapon, but when Webb responded by placing the rifle on his shoulder and aiming it at the officers, they fired simultaneously in defense. Webb, Tanner said, died at the scene. According to the Associated Press, friends and family members told a local television station that Webb was a good man who was firing the gun in celebration of the July Fourth holiday. They said he probably didn’t hear the officers clearly and spun around to see what the commotion was, not meaning to point the gun at anyone. AGAIN, major difference between NOT MEANING to point the gun and DID NOT point the gun...  This message has been edited. Last edited by: whisper, Jul 31, 2006 16:27 Posted Jul 31, 2006 15:53

112. Jaquar - Originally posted by whisper: Funny...in the same post you deny being a cop hater and then follow to berate them..... He is in a constant state of self-contradiction. quote: Originally posted by Realisticwarmth: No one has said anything about being COP HATERS. I just know for a fact they did not do their job that night in question.  You state that you know, for a fact, the officers did not do their jobs that night. You must've been there. Originally posted by Realisticwarmth: Everyone knows that Mr.webb should'nt have died that night, BUT yet everyone on here said, he was pointing a gun at the two officers, this you do not know. You, however, do know, right? Originally posted by Realisticwarmth: None of us were there But you just said that you ...know for a fact" that the deputies did not do their job. If none of us were there, including you, why is there no doubt in your mind that the officers acted irresponsibly? Originally posted by Realisticwarmth: I am far from being a COP HATER, but they are not perfect either and the Webb incident proved that.  That proves that our law-enforcement officers are not perfect? The only thing it proves is that the deputies were undenyably thrown in a situation that required them to defend themselves and the community. They were forced to do something they hoped would never happen; to take another person's life. The death of Mr. Webb has not only scarred his family, but the officers who will have to live with the memory of that unfortunate night burned into their minds forever. Posted Jul 31, 2006 16:23

113. BabyGurl - I do not have to prove myself to anyone, as I know who I am. However this is a place to voice your opinion and it is not my fault you people can not deal with a little disagreement. Personally, I could care less what any of you think! If you are so afraid of a bullet falling down from the sky and you have to keep going on and on and on about it, then pack your bags and take your family out in the middle of the woods. Go hide. And as far as everyone taking up for the cops, thats your choice. I know when they was dispatched, they knew he had a gun. They are probably just some little rookies waiting to pull the trigger. There is nothing about COP HATERS. There is some cops who actually do their job and some who do it just so they can have power over people. And thats probably the kind who responded to Mr. Webbs house that night. Maybe this is a new hobby for them? Better lock the guns up for the 4th. Psycho Cops will come out and shoot you. And FYI I do not shoot guns into the air. Let the poor man RIP. Get another topic or something. You people thrive on this and it is pathetic. Posted Jul 31, 2006 20:58

114. Both Sides Of The Fence - That's what I said before BabyGurl... let this poor man RIP and let his family grieve over their loss. Isn't it enough that a man lost his life over something so terrible? Now everyone continues to bash Mr. Webb and/or the law enforcement. Everyone knows that shooting a weapon of any kind can be lethal, and unfortunately Mr. Webb paid the price for his actions that night. I said it before, I am on Both Sides of the Fence for a reason... my husband is a law enforcement officer and yes, I AM a relative of Mr. Webb. For those of you that didn't know him, just a little FYI - is WAS a very good man, husband and daddy! He unfortunately mad a bad choice that dreadful night! I'm not saying he was right for being outside that late, shooting an AK-47 (or any type of weapon for that matter); but I also think that all of the facts should be addressed and the investigation should be completed before everyone places blame on either side... my heart aches for Mr. Webb's wife and children. You are in my thoughts always! Posted Jul 31,2006 21::21

115. Floyd - quote: Originally posted by Both Sides Of The Fence!: That's what I said before BabyGurl... let this poor man RIP and let his family grieve over their loss. Isn't it enough that a man lost his life over something so terrible? Now everyone continues to bash Mr. Webb and/or the law enforcement. Everyone knows that shooting a weapon of any kind can be lethal, and unfortunately Mr. Webb paid the price for his actions that night. I said it before, I am on Both Sides of the Fence for a reason... my husband is a law enforcement officer and yes, I AM a relative of Mr. Webb. For those of you that didn't know him, just a little FYI - is WAS a very good man, husband and daddy! He unfortunately mad a bad choice that dreadful night! I'm not saying he was right for being outside that late, shooting an AK-47 (or any type of weapon for that matter); but I also think that all of the facts should be addressed and the investigation should be completed before everyone places blame on either side... my heart aches for Mr. Webb's wife and children. You are in my thoughts always! Actually, I believe this thread would have died long ago if certain people would have let it go without making inaccurate accusatory comments. Posted Jul 31, 2006 22:14

116. whisper - Floyd, I agree.... Originally posted by ~BabyGurl~: I do not have to prove myself to anyone, as I know who I am. However this is a place to voice your opinion and it is not my fault you people can not deal with a little disagreement.  Just as you have a right to voice your opinion....so does everyone else. Originally posted by ~BabyGurl~: Personally, I could care less what any of you think! If you are so afraid of a bullet falling down from the sky and you have to keep going on and on and on about it, then pack your bags and take your family out in the middle of the woods. Go hide. If your neighbor is outside discharging an AK-47 assault rifle into the air, then yes, there would be significant concern that one may strike and kill someone....You truly believe it's rational that people residing in residential areas should pack up and move so that individuals could have free reign to discharge firearms at will? Originally posted by ~BabyGurl~: And as far as everyone taking up for the cops, thats your choice. I for one will continue to exercise that right as long as individual such as yourself continue to bash them..... Originally posted by ~BabyGurl~: They are probably just some little rookies waiting to pull the trigger. There is nothing about COP HATERS. There is some cops who actually do their job and some who do it just so they can have power over people. And thats probably the kind who responded to Mr. Webbs house that night. Maybe this is a new hobby for them? Better lock the guns up for the 4th. Psycho Cops will come out and shoot you. And FYI I do not shoot guns into the air.  You are not a cop hater but automatically assume the worst about the officers involved....HMMMMM? You have been unable to express opinions in regards the officers actions that night without bashing their character.... Originally posted by ~BabyGurl~:Let the poor man RIP. Get another topic or something. You people thrive on this and it is pathetic  Mr. Webb's family is not the only ones who need to heal....the officers should be allowed to heal as well...Babygurl, as far as finding another topic, is someone else using your login to continue to make post in regards to this topic? Posted Jul 31, 2006 22:26

117. BabyGurl - Whisper why dont you go eat a bag of s**t and get a life. I dont have any sympathy for those cops. I do not feel they did their job. You set on your a$$ in North Carolina and type away talking about everyone else. You are clueless and I do not feel it is my place to say aw boo-hoo poor lil rookie cops killed a man. Lets give them a big pat on the back. BRAVO BOYS! AS IF! They should be suspended and I know Mrs. Webb's neighbors are helping her get a lawyer and I hope she burns a hole in those cops a$$. I cant wait to see what you all have to say about this in the end when they find the cops at fault. I think the cops should have went to his funeral and seen what they did to that family. Didn't have the balls to huh rookies! Posted Jul 31, 2006 22:46

118. Worried Wife - Just to clear this up, Mr. Webb was not shot in the back, he was shot in the face. So you can continue to bash the cops about shooting him in the back when the actuality is that he was shot in the face. BabyGurl, Realisticwarmth, and Both Sides of the Fence, you can continue to have your opinions, we don't care. But don't contradict yourself. Babygurl, you said you know for a fact, but that is your opinion in one sentence. How is it a fact and an opinion at the same time. And how would you know for a fact???? Were you there?? My friend was!!! Both Sides of the Fence, if he was such a good person, then why one of the elderly couples that lived near him scared to death of him?? Babygurl and Realisticwarmth sound like the people that the news cast seems to find to get on TV with their hair all in curlers. No wonder everyone thinks people in WV are so stupid. Posted Jul 31, 2006 22:50

119. Both Sides Of The Fence - quote: My friend was!!! There you go Worried Wife... like you said, the officer is "YOUR FRIEND! Of course you are going to defend his side of the story. As for myself, I am also the WIFE of an officer and I listen to my husband's theory of the incident. But I also must relate to the families side also. Especially since we'll NEVER KNOW the real truth of what happened that night because Robert is not here to defend himself! Now is he - thanks to YOUR FRIEND! I'm so glad that you can "rest better knowing that your friend" is home with his wife and family. Robert, on the other hand, is 6 feet under and now his family must endure the pain of their loss! Posted Jul 31, 2006 23:04

120. nojusticenwv - Absolutely Worried Wife, you are totally correct regarding the statement made by Babygurl. I thought it was weird to know a fact, then state that fact as an opinion. Posted Jul 31, 2006 23:07

121. whisper - Originally posted by ~BabyGurl~: Whisper why dont you go eat a bag of s**t and get a life. I dont have any sympathy for those cops. I do not feel they did their job. You set on your a$$ in North Carolina and type away talking about everyone else. You are clueless and I do not feel it is my place to say aw boo-hoo poor lil rookie cops killed a man. Lets give them a big pat on the back. BRAVO BOYS! AS IF! They should be suspended and I know Mrs. Webb's neighbors are helping her get a lawyer and I hope she burns a hole in those cops a$$. I cant wait to see what you all have to say about this in the end when they find the cops at fault. I think the cops should have went to his funeral and seen what they did to that family. Didn't have the balls to huh rookies!Pissed you off did I? Hate that for you. All those big words have seemingly confused you so let me put this on your level. Any 1st grader or anybody that watches cops should be able to follow what comes next.... If you point a gun at the Po Po they will cap your ass.....no tickets, don't want to know why you have the gun....if there is a threat of them being shot.....they going to cap your ass....end of story...Babygurl, thank you for your meaningful contribution to society....please don't breed..... Posted Jul 31, 2006 23:10

122. nojusticenwv - Both Sides of the Fence, your husband/officer gave you HIS theory of the incident. All due respect to your officer husband, but he was not there that night and in those officers' shoes. Are you the same lady who posted once before and said your husband was an officer and you were related to the Webb family? Posted Jul 31, 2006 23:21

123. Both Sides of the Fence quote: BothSides of the Fence, your husband/officer gave you HIS theory of the incident. All due respect to your officer husband, but he was not there that night and in those officers' shoes. Are you the same lady who posted once before and said your husband was an officer and you were related to the Webb family?  You are 100% right - my husband WAS NOT there that night... however, he DOES walk in those shoes EVERYDAY! And his opinions are those of an officer in the line of duty! YES, I also worry every day he walks out our front door, of whether or not he will come home tonight. But like I said before, YES, I am related to the Webb family. And unfortunately, I am in the middle and need to look at both sides of this story. Until all the evidence is revealed, I don't think anyone should be judge or jury for the actions of Robert that night. You all are making him out as a man on a shooting spree. I really doubt that this was his intentions at all. Just as some are justifying the actions of the officers involved - it is human nature to act on impulse. Maybe that's what those officers did that night. None of us know the real truth of what happened that night. It was an unfortunate tragedy and now we just need to wait to see what the evidence will conclude as to who was right or wrong. I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but people need understand that although Robert probably shouldn't have been outside shooting off his gun; it seems like this is not an unusual occurance in West Virginia. I just wish that for the sake of all involved, people would just stop bashing a man that cannot defend himself now. Posted Jul 31, 2006 23:38

124. Jaquar - Originally posted by Both Sides Of The Fence! I just wish that for the sake of all involved, people would just stop bashing a man that cannot defend himself now. I haven't seen any bashing of Mr. Webb. What I do see are comments like, "nosy neighbors, calling 9-1-1and the deputies failed to do their jobs and I hope the cops get their asses burned;. The opposing side is the one making accusations that require defending. Everyone agrees Mr. Webb's death is tragic...to EVERYONE involved. Posted Aug 01, 2006 00:10

125. BigDog131 - this entire forum has gone to the dogs. people telling other's the eat sh*t (real mature by the way) and people debating and bickering over the fact that mr. webb was a good man and will not be able to raise his daughters and the assessment that the deputies that responded to his house that early morning failed to do their jobs. i say they did their jobs. they had to make a split second decision and stopped an act of agression. quit bashing the cops that had to do their jobs (i know for a fact that they are suffering over this) and just move on. Posted Aug 01, 2006 01:27

126. nojusticenwv - Both Sides Of The Fence, I am sure you worry about whether your husband will come home every night. That is very stressful, and not a good feeling. I never said that Mr. Webb was on a shooting spree. I never did think that he was randomly going door to door in the neighborhood, on a shooting spree. Nor do I recall anyone else making that assumption. You agree that Mr. Webb probably shouldn't have been outside shooting off his gun. You also said that "it seems like this in not an unusual occurance in West Virginia. It is not common practice for me to shoot a gun in the air, and if I did so, I would be an irresponsible gun owner. Your husband could be bias in his opinion, since you are related to Mr. Webb. If your husband was put in the same scenario and he didn't know the man aiming the gun at him (such as a relative of your's), what would he have done? I am sorry that you and the rest of Mr. Webb's family are suffering a devastating loss. On the other hand, I feel for the officers who were put in harms way and had to shoot in order to protect themselves. This can't be easy on the officers and they need to heal also. I am sure no officer wants to have to kill anyone. Can't be a good feeling, but they do have to make a judgement call when they feel they could be shot. I truly hope your husband stays safe, officers do have a very hard job. Another thought, the family members of the officers would have felt the tragedy if their husbands had been shot that night. Posted Aug 01, 2006 01:29

127. BabyGurl - I am not mad about anything you people post. I still do not agree that the cops did their job that night. And worried wife... if your husband is a real cop, you should be thankful because there isnt many good ones out there. If i offend you, sorry. But 95% of the State Police cops do not do their job. I will not go into details, there is no use. You people are set in your ways and you will defend the cops until the day you die. Thats your choice. I however will not. I got a phone call the other morning from a cop wanting a donation. I told him I would not give him any money and I wanted him to stop calling my house. He got rude and upset. It is people like Mr. Webbs neighbor who makes FREEDOM impossible. Posted Aug 01, 2006 09:22

128. newriversmallies - QUOTE: It is people like Mr. Webbs neighbor who makes FREEDOM impossible.Freedom does not mean the ability to terrorize your neighbors by shooting assault rifles indiscriminately to celebrate.Mr. Webb's neighbors should have the FREEDOM to live without the fear that stray assault rifle bullets may enter their homes and kill them. It is asinine to try to defend someone's supposed right to shoot assault rifles in residential areas. If someone wants to be able to shoot guns at will, they need to move to an isolated area instead of a community! Posted Aug 01, 2006 09:50

129. Prissy - I have been following this topic since the beginning and actually posted one time in the beginning and I can't believe the turn this forum has taken. I went back to the original associated press article to reread it and refresh my memory. According to the article, the RC Sheriff's deputies responded toa complaint made by neighbors plural) that Mr. Webb was firing a gun in the neighborhood. Nowhere in the article does it state that he was firing in the air. The article continues with on arrival the two deputies found Mr. Webb armed with an AK-47 assault rifle. They ID'd themselves and told him to put down the weapon and he responded by placing the rifle on his shoulder and aiming at them. Then the family and friends said he was firing the gun in celebration of the 4th and that he probably didn't hear the officers clearly and spun around to see what the commotion was about and didn't mean to point the gun at them. So, the family and friends are assuming that is the case but they don't know for sure. Any cop, rookie or not, will tell you that when they receive a call about shots being fired in a residential area at 1:00 am, they have to be ready for anything and assess the situation in a split millisecond. I guess if someone wants to assume that the cops are just trigger happy and ready to kill anyone in their path that is their perogative but really, what would be the point to all of it? Are people actually saying that just for the sake of joy killing, these officers are willing to be put through all of the investigations and questioning, etc. that they have to go through in situations like this? Put yourself in the officer's shoes for one moment and think about how you would react in the same scenario. Also realize, this isn't Mayberry RFD where Sheriff Taylor would mosey up to good ole boy Mr. Webb and tell him to stop annoying everybody and put that gun down or he will have to put him in a cell for a night. Another thing, no matter where he was firing, either up or at some neighbor's house, or just willie nillie, I shudder at the thought of his two daughters being in the house at that time. I guess you can add the felony of child endangerment to the list of felonies Mr. Webb racked up on that fateful night. Posted Aug 01, 2006 15:13

130. wvhillbillylady - First of all I can't say rather or not Mr. Webb needed to be shot or not I wasn't there on the seen, but what I'm saying is now days the law you can't trust any of them with a badge or without a badge. Look at the one I think it was in Mt.Hope that pulled that lady over and molested her, look at the Oak Hill city police officer turned hisself in for beating his girlfriend and breaking entering. Do we as West Virginia citizens have the protection we need? Posted Aug 01, 2006 16:16

131. infusion - How can you generalize and put all of them in the same group, and say you can't trust them, and assume they are all dishonest criminals. There are a couple bad ones, but most do their job and do it well. What about the one that responded quickly to a domestic call, maybe saved a woman's life. What about the one that searched for hours on end for a missing juvenile. What about the one that spend hours and days working on a sexualt assault investigation, or the molestation of a child. What about the one that showed up when a vicious dog was on the loose to protect your children. What about the one that pulled over someone for DUI and possibly saved someone's life. What about the one that put away the drug dealer so they can't sell to your kids. What about the one that has worked 16 hours straight because they are so short handed, and shows up for a call, exhaused, but willing to help you. To serve and protect.  What about the one struggling to make it financially, and family is falling apart because he has taken another job and gone so much, just to feed his family. What about the one sitting, fighting to stay awake, to run radar, to keep the roads safer. What about the one that is a first responder to an accident and is there to call for the help you need, to comfort you, and trained to help you. They don't do it for the money. I make more than what most police officer's make. They do it because they care. I think we have the protection we need. It was police officers themselves that arrested those two in question. Posted Aug 01, 2006 16:36

132. whisper - Originally posted by wvhillbillylady: First of all I can't say rather or not Mr. Webb needed to be shot or not I wasn't there on the seen, but what I'm saying is now days the law you can't trust any of them with a badge or without a badge. Look at the one I think it was in Mt.Hope that pulled that lady over and molested her, look at the Oak Hill city police officer turned hisself in for beating his girlfriend and breaking entering. Do we as West Virginia citizens have the protection we need? None of us were there that night, but according to all reports thus far, the responding officers actions in that situation were appropriate.In reference to being unable to trust the police, you can't lose faith in all law enforcement for the actions of some. There are people in all fields that do not uphold their obligation to society, i,e. there have been priests and teachers charged with hideous crimes, including molestation. While there are the few that become corrupt, I feel the majority of officers still believe in what they do and take pride in doing a job that truly makes a difference. Unfortunately, very little is said when officers save a life..... Posted Aug 01, 2006 16:36

133. whisper - Originally posted by ~BabyGurl~: But 95% of the State Police cops do not do their job. I will not go into details, there is no use.  You know that 95% do not do their jobs....How do you know this? Are there actual statistics proving this? Or are you just venting your hostility toward LEO's? quote: Originally posted by ~BabyGurl~:It is people like Mr. Webbs neighbor who makes FREEDOM impossible ALL should have the freedom to sit inside their house, on their porch, and even go outside without fear of being shot. There are appropriate places to discharge firearms.....in a residential neighborhood would not fall into that category. Freedom does not entail lawlessness. This message has been edited. Last edited by: whisper, Aug 01, 2006 17:05  Posted Aug 01, 2006 16:55

134. Worried Wife - Yes, Both sides of the Fence, I am glad that my friend comes home to his family just like I am glad that my husband walks through the door to us just like you are yours. I bet if your husband were the one faced with the gun pointed to him and he shot the guy, you would not think a thing about it, instead you would be relieved that your husband came home to you. Don't you think that is ironic??? AS for the State Police, they do a damn good job. They work their asses off. What's the problem with them, did they write you a ticket and not let you off??? Think what you want. Everyone else on here is right about Realisticwarmth and Babygurl. You both have no common sense at all. I think you would defend Satan himself. Posted Aug 01, 2006 22:38

135. Both Sides Of The Fence - quote: I bet if your husband were the one faced with the gun pointed to him BUT - was Robert REALLY pointing the gun at the officers, OR is that what your friend is just telling you. I would like to know the facts before I place judgement on anyone involved. And I don't honestly think that that will EVER happen. Posted Aug 01, 2006 22:49

136. BabyGurl - Ok Worried Wife, there you go assuming again. No the State Police have not wrote me a ticket. And second of all... if they did I would not try to get out of it, unlike some people. You keep running your mouth only because your husband is a cop. Who cares. Tell him to go get a new job. I still think it was wrong of them to kill him. And There is alot of sorry cops out here in this world. Get pissed off if you want. I could care less. I obey all laws and they have no reason to bother me. And I will not kiss up to them either. I don't know why you get so mad. Your husband is a cop because he wants to be, we do not make him. Maybe he likes the job, maybe he likes the power of wearing the badge, maybe he just wants to do it. Who knows and who cares? Not me! Some, not ALL cops are really careless, and I think if they was trained proper and would stop to think about stuff instead of reaching for their gun everytime they got scared, they could save lives instead of taking them. There is no point in you getting all huffy. The truth is the truth no matter how you look at it. Posted Aug 01, 2006 23:17

137. Realisticwarmth - Worried wife, NO ONE really cares what you think!!! Your opinion is only that, A OPINION. of COURSE YOU will uphold the law against a lifeless man because you are married to one!!!All of us on here are not related to cops. I have never been given a ticket either ,nor have I ever been in trouble with the law. I, myself have plenty of COMMON SENSE, but I'm beginning to wonder if you do? People are getting so mad over nothing, I mean lets look at MR.WEBB, he is no longer here. Can you people really not understand that? When did his wife tell anyone that he pointed the gun at officers? She was not outside herself, so that is bull****. People only believe what they want too on here anyway. And you all want to talk about certain people bashing cops? What are you guys doing to Mr.Webb? First thing that was said.....Lets wait to get the results of the blood to see if he was drunk or doing drugs....why, uuummmm to see what state of mind he was in. PLEASE!!!!!!!That way we will know if he was really pointing the gun and we can make it stick as long as he was drunk or on drugs.....AS IF!!!!!!!!There is always an excuse. Lets put the blame where it belongs. You all can believe what you want, go on with life and nevermind the fact that one has been lost due to gun ho cops. Posted Aug 01, 2006 23:44

138. Realisticwarmth - Worried wife, NO ONE really cares what you think!!! Your opinion is only that, A OPINION. of COURSE YOU will uphold the law against a lifeless man because you are married to one!!!All of us on here are not related to cops. I have never been given a ticket either ,nor have I ever been in trouble with the law. I, myself have plenty of COMMON SENSE, but I'm beginning to wonder if you do? People are getting so mad over nothing, I mean lets look at MR.WEBB, he is no longer here. Can you people really not understand that? When did his wife tell anyone that he pointed the gun at officers? She was not outside herself, so that is bull****. People only believe what they want too on here anyway. And you all want to talk about certain people bashing cops? What are you guys doing to Mr.Webb? First thing that was said.....Lets wait to get the results of the blood to see if he was drunk or doing drugs....why, uuummmm to see what state of mind he was in. PLEASE!!!!!!!That way we will know if he was really pointing the gun and we can make it stick as long as he was drunk or on drugs.....AS IF!!!!!!!!There is always an excuse. Lets put the blame where it belongs. You all can believe what you want, go on with life and nevermind the fact that one has been lost due to gun ho cops. Posted Aug 01, 2006 23:44

139. Jaquar - quote: Originally posted by Realisticwarmth: Worried wife, NO ONE really cares what you think!!! Your opinion is only that, A OPINION. And your opinion should be held above hers? I have very low regard for you, who spews out constant hatred and loathing for the police. I'd very much rather hear Worried Wife's opinion than yours. Originally posted by Realisticwarmth: ...You all can believe what you want, go on with life and nevermind the fact that one has been lost due to gun ho cops. Again, you vomit hatred and accusations, while ignoring everything I had said in previous reactions to your posts. How can you say the deputies were gung-ho? I thought you said you weren't there!?! Posted Aug 02, 2006 00:24

140. Realisticwarmth - jaguar, now why would I really care if you would take worried wifes opinion over mind? And I do not care if you hold hers above mine. Oh I forgot, you was THERE? Or are you like the rest of them and believe only worried wife because she is married to a cop? She was'nt there and her cop husband has nothing to do with any of this. You guys are trying to DRAG all the cops in on this when in fact ,I do believe there were only two at MR.WEBBS house, and I know we have way more police than that in WEST VIRGINIA!! SO QUIT TRYING TO GET ON COPS GOOD SIDE AND TRYING TO BUTTER THEM UP....YOU HAVE A TICKET THAT NEEDS TAKEN CARE OF???? lmao.. DUH!!! Posted Aug 02, 2006 00:41

141. BabyGurl - Do you all recall when a guy they call Big D died while in police custody?? There was flyers going around and shirts was made. The cops always have an excuse for things that happen. I guess those cops went through counseling too. They do this crazy **** because they know they can get away with it. Look at the Sweeneys. Father and Son. Nark and cop. What are they doing now? Look around at the **** that has happened and you tell me we dont have some dumb cops working for us. I think some of you people need to get a reality check and just deal with it. Cops are not perfect. And I know im not perfect. But I am one to admit I was wrong if I know in my heart I was. These cops need to be questioned by the press. I would like to hear what they have to say reguarding the night Mr. Webb got shot. And I would like for them to give their statements to the press, one at a time. I would like to see how their stories match up. And also what was running through their minds, what did they do/say before they shot him. All cops should have a camera on them at all times and it should be on at all times. Then everyone would know what really happened. Look at the time when the shootings took place in Irish Mountain. 3 people died, cops was scared to go in by them. All you heard was cops screaming for backup, and shots being fired. Read up on this stuff and then question me as to why I think cops are a joke. They are so careless. If all of you keep up with this thing online, im sure you can recall the Irish Mountain shootings, and the death of Big D. Also, where was the cops the night Curtis Lilly, James Gibson and his brother was out with guns robbing stores? And they even made a cashier give them oral sex. How sad!! And now where is the cashier? Dead, she killed herself, took her own life because of that night. WHERE WAS THE COPS???? Posted Aug 02, 2006 00:45

142. nojusticenwv - Both sides of the fence, as I recall Mr. Webb's family member stated that he turned around with the gun on his shoulder and then pointed the gun at the officers. Let's see, how many rounds could have been fired off at one time at those officers? They could have been shot all to pieces. I don't understand, if you are related to the family, why don't you know that? After all, they are the ones' who made the comment. Posted Aug 02, 2006 00:53

143. Floyd - Originally posted by ~BabyGurl~: Do you all recall when a guy they call Big D died while in police custody?? There was flyers going around and shirts was made. The cops always have an excuse for things that happen. I guess those cops went through counseling too. They do this crazy **** because they know they can get away with it. Look at the Sweeneys. Father and Son. Nark and cop. What are they doing now? Look around at the **** that has happened and you tell me we dont have some dumb cops working for us. I think some of you people need to get a reality check and just deal with it. Cops are not perfect. And I know im not perfect. But I am one to admit I was wrong if I know in my heart I was. These cops need to be questioned by the press. I would like to hear what they have to say reguarding the night Mr. Webb got shot. And I would like for them to give their statements to the press, one at a time. I would like to see how their stories match up. And also what was running through their minds, what did they do/say before they shot him. All cops should have a camera on them at all times and it should be on at all times. Then everyone would know what really happened. Look at the time when the shootings took place in Irish Mountain. 3 people died, cops was scared to go in by them. All you heard was cops screaming for backup, and shots being fired. Read up on this stuff and then question me as to why I think cops are a joke. They are so careless. If all of you keep up with this thing online, im sure you can recall the Irish Mountain shootings, and the death of Big D. Also, where was the cops the night Curtis Lilly, James Gibson and his brother was out with guns robbing stores? And they even made a cashier give them oral sex. How sad!! And now where is the cashier? Dead, she killed herself, took her own life because of that night. WHERE WAS THE COPS???????????????????????And your comments here have exactly what to do with what happened that night? Nothing. Posted Aug 02, 2006 01:31

144. BabyGurl - It has alot to do with this topic, police continue to take peoples lives. All of those stories was like Mr Webbs. But the cops talk their way out of it and just leave the family suffering. I am not saying all cops are bad, but there are some out there and I just dont feel like they did the best they could have that night. When they are trained, they are taught what to do in a situation like that and I am sure their trainer did not pull a gun on the decoy. I just think it could have been handled alot better. And if they would have took the time to see Mr Webb was not going on a shooting spree, and he was not hurting anyone , Mr Webb could be here with us today. If you read the paper all the time.. you know those deaths I was writing about in the other post was bull too. Posted Aug 02, 2006 11:28

145. The Hun - Baby Gurl, why are you bringing up old incidents that are completely unrelated to this topic. If you knew anything about BIG D, then you would know that the report came back from the M E in South Charleston and it was ruled as an overdose. about the robberies, there are very few Deputies on duty in this county at that time of night for the large area that they are required to cover. besides, the girl did not kill herself, she was trying to get high on pills and took one too many. But back to the topic of discussion, I don't think that the officers should have to tell the press anything because what they said has already been released to the newspaper and what are you thinking about saying that the officers should have attended the funeral. I'm sure that would have went over well. Did you know that one of the Sheriff's Department's Deputies did attend the funeral because he did know the family? Like everyone said, everyone has their own opions, but only a couple of us on this site know the facts. I just hope that the toxicology report is released to the media so you all will stop bickering, but I'm sure that when the results come back to the officer's favor, you will say that it is all a bunch of BS as well. Posted Aug 02, 2006 13:08

146. Realisticwarmth - YES I agree that when the toxicology reports are released it will be a bunch of BS!!!What is it gonna say, uuuummm MR.Webb had to much alcohol in his system or maybe one joint too many that night so he was very dangerous to society that night in question, which in turn will make it ok for him to die that night because he was messed up on something. WHATEVER!!!! It only happens in a place like this. I would also like to know why only a few on here know the facts? If soooooooooo many people know the facts, why is'nt anyone sharing? Again it is just so sad to think about a man who just celebrated his birthday, not even knowing it was going to be his last, had to die because he was in his own yard with a AK47, SUCH A LOSS!!! Posted Aug 02, 2006 14:18

147. BabyGurl - Hun, what is all that about? Is is not unrelated. It is showing how careless the cops are and how suck ups such as yourself kiss ass. They must let you go a extra 5 miles over the speed limit, huh. WTG. If the cops was doing their job, alot of **** could be prevented. You people just dont have the ass to admit it. You must know a cop and he knows your screen name and if you say the wrong thing you will be in for harassment, so you are willing to defend those jerks til the end.  Thats your problem, not mine. And the girl did kill herself on count of them making her do that stuff. She could not take it no more, it bothered her so bad. Get your facts and until you do .... get over it. I know what happened to Mr Webb was wrong and that is all that matters. Posted Aug 02, 2006 15:02

148. whisper - Originally posted by ~BabyGurl~: Hun, what is all that about? Is is not unrelated. It is showing how careless the cops are and how suck ups such as yourself kiss ass. They must let you go a extra 5 miles over the speed limit, huh. WTG. If the cops was doing their job, alot of **** could be prevented. You people just dont have the ass to admit it. You must know a cop and he knows your screen name and if you say the wrong thing you will be in for harassment, so you are willing to defend those jerks til the end. Thats your problem, not mine. And the girl did kill herself on count of them making her do that stuff. She could not take it no more, it bothered her so bad. Get your facts and until you do .... get over it. I know what happened to Mr Webb was wrong and that is all that matters. I would have to agree with Hun, those incidents have no relevance as to whether or the the RESPONDING officers did their jobs the night of Mr. Webbs death Anwyway....how can you justify blaming the police for people committing crimes? You honestly believe that when a person CHOOSES to rape, kill, or rob someone, that the police are to blame? I am curious about how you know the names of the men involved. could it be the names were released after the POLICE ARRESTED them? Posted Aug 02, 2006 16:47

149. nojusticenwv - BabyGurl, how about all of the cop killers? What do you think about that? I do read the newspaper and I do know what is going on. The deputies should have accessed the situation and realized that Mr. Webb wasn't on a shooting spree? Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't an AK-47 shoot a hundred rounds a minute? That is not a gun to hunt animals with, in my opinion, it's a weapon to hunt people with. The deputies did what they had to do. I am sure they would have rather had a different outcome, but they had no choice. Posted Aug 02, 2006 17:25

150. nojusticenwv - Realisticwarmth, Mr. Webb was in his OWN yard celebrating with an AK-47!!!!!! In his own yard indeed, with many houses around him. Craziest idea in the world that anyone would celebrate with an AK-47 or any other weapon, knowing or not caring that they could have harmed someone. If Mr. Webb was under the influence of alcohol or drugs, we all know that impairs good judgement. You can raise all the cain you want, but Mr. Webb was definitely in the wrong. Posted Aug 02, 2006 17:34